ohh for heavens sake. Has anyone been to Alaska? or, closer to my home, antarctic. Hate to tell you but indeed the sea water does freeze. Heard of the Polar Ice Caps? Not only that, I lived close to Lake Michigan for an autumn winter and spring and there were waves frozen. It was one of the things I commented on when I arrived back home to Australia. Frozen waves are very cool. These pics remind me so of Chicago and the Lake in the winter. Awesome
Gulf of Finland and Gulf of Bothnia freeze every winter.
Joy, it’s not the salt water, lakes don’t freeze solid either. Water is denser than ice, and it’s densest at +4*C, so the water above freezing temperature (0*C) sinks to the bottom of the lake, and only the surface freezes.
because it’s not thick enough to stand on? Try walking out on a frozen lake first day of winter and see how far out you get before you risk freezing to death because of all the ice cold water around you. Frozen =/ safe to stand on.
And this whole “salt water doesn’t freeze” business? The water (ie. polar ice caps) that does freeze is “fresh”, leaving the salt behind in the ocean.
And seagulls will fly over whatever the heck they want, they don’t have any aversion to frozen water(really, what point was that attempting to prove?).
And any body of water has the potential to freeze “solid”, but it is unlikely in the vast majority of cases for a low enough temperature to be sustained for the length of time it would take to freeze anything much bigger than a pond “solid”, from surface to bottom. By the time every bit of a body of water goes (+4F), cycles through, and then all reaches freezing, the seasons change again.
Salt water will certainly freeze. A solution of pure water will freeze at exactly 0 C but once anything is dissolved in it to make a solution the freezing point will lower. It will still freeze, simply at a lower temperature. (Change in freezing point) = - 1.87 x (molality of solution) x (number of particles that disassociate in the solution) if we take seawater to be at a concentration of 35 parts per thousand and convert that to a molality you get a new freezing point of -1.9 C. Clearly, such a temperature is reachable in a cold climate. The larger problem is the motion, it is hard to freeze a fluid that is moving. It would need to be quite cold for such a thing to occur.
This is so fake. look at the 3rd picture down, left hand side of the breaking wave. The little drips/spray falling off the edge of it on the left are just floating in mid air. Talk about unstable structure. If it was frozen those bits wouldnt be there they would fall off, they arent even attached to anything! This is moving water, maybe crystalising, but water moving that much in motion cannot freeze.
oh yea and why hasnt anyone pointed out the obvious yet? If it is frozen waves, then why is there no picture of the same wave twice from a different angle to prove it? In fact, in pictures 5 and 9 they even have the same jeti catwalk in it with different waves hitting it! zzz
Phil…..are you on some bad drugs? if you look at picture 5 and 9 anyone not on crack will realize that it’s a picture taken a bit further down that boardwalk. If you take note of pic. 5 and look near the right hand side, you’ll see an object…pier maybe?! anyways….the object in pic. 9 is of that same object….just closer up…..notice the different guard rails?!
Oh and just a side note just because there are water drops falling off the wave doesn’t mean it’s photoshopped water can still be moving around and over the frozen stuff…..no one said that it was frozen solid, it could just be water coming out of a hole in the ice, no one knows except the person who took the photos.And even if it is a photoshopped pic. thats some damn fine photoshopping if you ask me. Think and study before you make negative comment.
It looks icy but is moving like normal.
There are just ice pieces floating on top of the water.
The picture makes it look “frozen” (because it’s not moving.
If you look further out in the ocean you see the flowing ice, and in some of the pictures you tee the ice pieces separating as the wave crests
This a representation of an incident in Durban, South Africa, last year.
It was so cold, that falling dew drops froze solid mid way to the ground. The lagoon actually did freeze, various photos can be found, posted all over the internet.
In Johannesburg, you could walk in foot deep snow. Not something that’s common place up here, as JHB is well known for it’s warm and humid climate.
Global warming could melt the ice caps (and the ice shelf on greenland) and stall the ocean current enough to throw earth into an ice age. The day after tomorrow touched on what is commonly known scientific fact. The ocean currents keep earth warm and with the introduction of massive amounts of fresh water we risk stalling the engine that heats our home.
Hooray for human stupidity, and the website in the pictures looks like somethingorother russia.com
Russia is cold anyway so the frozen waves should be a common sight. If it happened near the equator then it’s time to worry, as it is we have probably another 9 months of freedom before american fascism goes global so enjoy the little time we have left.
guys, he clearly stated in the comments in the picture that the water is freezing AS THEY FLOW. Its not in a complete solid state. its just the top layers or any water exposed to the air tahts frozen, but the water beneath is still liquid and flowing as waves.
You said “And even if it is a photoshopped pic. thats some damn fine photoshopping if you ask me. Think and study before you make negative comment.”
If they “were” (even if you mean hypothetically) then that means that Phil DID think and study. I think you should take your own advice.
As far as the pictures, I live near chicago and I’ve been on lake shore drive enough times during the winter to know how it is around that time of year, and i’ve seen waves moving and splashing (not solid at all), but never “frozen” wave. I think a lot of people (who believe that they’re frozen) are confusing it with just some slush that’s on top. Btw, if it were cold enough for the waves to freeze (even if not sold), the water would be far too hard from the cold for it to even form any kind of waves. Maybe a bunch of grooves that resemble small hills at best, but nothing like in the pictures.
Common!! Look at the sea horizon! In the pic it looks as it’s all frozen… Water heats and cools off much more slower then earth does. So it’ll be kind of difficult to achieve freezing up such a huge mass of water “as it waves”, ’cause surface water is mixing up with warmer water below it constantly.
Big fail. I hate people who gets off confusing others. Specially if they dedicate so much of their time in doing so.
there’s a video connected to these pictures somewhere and i’ve seen it before..the water is indeed freezing as the waves are coming into shore. stop believing that everything on the internet is photoshopped, because sometimes it’s not.
any one who doubts that waves freeze st clair shores michigan jefferson ave and 9 mile outside of jacks on the water there are a serious of waves that are frozen and its march.
February 26th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Doesn’t look frozen to me. At best it looks like a fake photoshopped picture.
Think for a minute, why the heck would the seagulls fly over frozen water of any kind?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
its the salt in the water that’s keeping it from being frozen solid.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:41 am
ohh for heavens sake. Has anyone been to Alaska? or, closer to my home, antarctic. Hate to tell you but indeed the sea water does freeze. Heard of the Polar Ice Caps? Not only that, I lived close to Lake Michigan for an autumn winter and spring and there were waves frozen. It was one of the things I commented on when I arrived back home to Australia. Frozen waves are very cool. These pics remind me so of Chicago and the Lake in the winter. Awesome
February 27th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Gulf of Finland and Gulf of Bothnia freeze every winter.
Joy, it’s not the salt water, lakes don’t freeze solid either. Water is denser than ice, and it’s densest at +4*C, so the water above freezing temperature (0*C) sinks to the bottom of the lake, and only the surface freezes.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Duh… it is NOT frosen. Looks foamy though.
Cascades of water hanging in the air… yeah. No close-ups, nobody standing on the wave.. wonder why? Duhh..
February 27th, 2008 at 8:21 am
because it’s not thick enough to stand on? Try walking out on a frozen lake first day of winter and see how far out you get before you risk freezing to death because of all the ice cold water around you. Frozen =/ safe to stand on.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
The Great Lakes are FRESH water.
And this whole “salt water doesn’t freeze” business? The water (ie. polar ice caps) that does freeze is “fresh”, leaving the salt behind in the ocean.
And seagulls will fly over whatever the heck they want, they don’t have any aversion to frozen water(really, what point was that attempting to prove?).
And any body of water has the potential to freeze “solid”, but it is unlikely in the vast majority of cases for a low enough temperature to be sustained for the length of time it would take to freeze anything much bigger than a pond “solid”, from surface to bottom. By the time every bit of a body of water goes (+4F), cycles through, and then all reaches freezing, the seasons change again.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Rae you get +1 awesomeness just for this comment.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
yeah the polar icecaps are fresh water.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Salt water will certainly freeze. A solution of pure water will freeze at exactly 0 C but once anything is dissolved in it to make a solution the freezing point will lower. It will still freeze, simply at a lower temperature. (Change in freezing point) = - 1.87 x (molality of solution) x (number of particles that disassociate in the solution) if we take seawater to be at a concentration of 35 parts per thousand and convert that to a molality you get a new freezing point of -1.9 C. Clearly, such a temperature is reachable in a cold climate. The larger problem is the motion, it is hard to freeze a fluid that is moving. It would need to be quite cold for such a thing to occur.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
This is done in Photoshop
February 28th, 2008 at 8:11 am
This is so fake. look at the 3rd picture down, left hand side of the breaking wave. The little drips/spray falling off the edge of it on the left are just floating in mid air. Talk about unstable structure. If it was frozen those bits wouldnt be there they would fall off, they arent even attached to anything! This is moving water, maybe crystalising, but water moving that much in motion cannot freeze.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:15 am
oh yea and why hasnt anyone pointed out the obvious yet? If it is frozen waves, then why is there no picture of the same wave twice from a different angle to prove it? In fact, in pictures 5 and 9 they even have the same jeti catwalk in it with different waves hitting it! zzz
February 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Phil…..are you on some bad drugs? if you look at picture 5 and 9 anyone not on crack will realize that it’s a picture taken a bit further down that boardwalk. If you take note of pic. 5 and look near the right hand side, you’ll see an object…pier maybe?! anyways….the object in pic. 9 is of that same object….just closer up…..notice the different guard rails?!
Oh and just a side note just because there are water drops falling off the wave doesn’t mean it’s photoshopped water can still be moving around and over the frozen stuff…..no one said that it was frozen solid, it could just be water coming out of a hole in the ice, no one knows except the person who took the photos.And even if it is a photoshopped pic. thats some damn fine photoshopping if you ask me. Think and study before you make negative comment.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:21 am
It looks icy but is moving like normal.
There are just ice pieces floating on top of the water.
The picture makes it look “frozen” (because it’s not moving.
If you look further out in the ocean you see the flowing ice, and in some of the pictures you tee the ice pieces separating as the wave crests
February 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am
no way.that is not frozen.
how could the wave freeze so fast?
it is photoshoped or somethin.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Actually,
This a representation of an incident in Durban, South Africa, last year.
It was so cold, that falling dew drops froze solid mid way to the ground. The lagoon actually did freeze, various photos can be found, posted all over the internet.
In Johannesburg, you could walk in foot deep snow. Not something that’s common place up here, as JHB is well known for it’s warm and humid climate.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Global warming could melt the ice caps (and the ice shelf on greenland) and stall the ocean current enough to throw earth into an ice age. The day after tomorrow touched on what is commonly known scientific fact. The ocean currents keep earth warm and with the introduction of massive amounts of fresh water we risk stalling the engine that heats our home.
Hooray for human stupidity, and the website in the pictures looks like somethingorother russia.com
Russia is cold anyway so the frozen waves should be a common sight. If it happened near the equator then it’s time to worry, as it is we have probably another 9 months of freedom before american fascism goes global so enjoy the little time we have left.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
guys, he clearly stated in the comments in the picture that the water is freezing AS THEY FLOW. Its not in a complete solid state. its just the top layers or any water exposed to the air tahts frozen, but the water beneath is still liquid and flowing as waves.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
@Pyroskab
You said “And even if it is a photoshopped pic. thats some damn fine photoshopping if you ask me. Think and study before you make negative comment.”
If they “were” (even if you mean hypothetically) then that means that Phil DID think and study. I think you should take your own advice.
As far as the pictures, I live near chicago and I’ve been on lake shore drive enough times during the winter to know how it is around that time of year, and i’ve seen waves moving and splashing (not solid at all), but never “frozen” wave. I think a lot of people (who believe that they’re frozen) are confusing it with just some slush that’s on top. Btw, if it were cold enough for the waves to freeze (even if not sold), the water would be far too hard from the cold for it to even form any kind of waves. Maybe a bunch of grooves that resemble small hills at best, but nothing like in the pictures.
March 4th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Common!! Look at the sea horizon! In the pic it looks as it’s all frozen… Water heats and cools off much more slower then earth does. So it’ll be kind of difficult to achieve freezing up such a huge mass of water “as it waves”, ’cause surface water is mixing up with warmer water below it constantly.
Big fail. I hate people who gets off confusing others. Specially if they dedicate so much of their time in doing so.
March 5th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Lila, the water in such a place wouldnt be that warm. Not enough to melt the ice faster then it is cooling.
Still, though. How do we tell from a still photo if the water is frozen? Everything is frozen in a photo.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 am
there’s a video connected to these pictures somewhere and i’ve seen it before..the water is indeed freezing as the waves are coming into shore. stop believing that everything on the internet is photoshopped, because sometimes it’s not.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:14 am
any one who doubts that waves freeze st clair shores michigan jefferson ave and 9 mile outside of jacks on the water there are a serious of waves that are frozen and its march.
March 14th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I don’t care if the water is frozen or not.. these are great pics.
March 17th, 2008 at 9:48 am
I think it’s a fake. Look at the seagulls shadows in picture 7. Look left and then look right: are there two suns?
March 31st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Frazil Ice … see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazil_ice
April 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Salt in the water only lowers to freezing point by 1 to 2 degrees, It is really pics like this have been around the net for a while.