Have you ever seen a frozen sea ? Besides “Day after tommorow” movie ?
Just take a look. Waves are freezing as they flow.
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To the north of Kaghan Valley near Naran,
February 26th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Doesn’t look frozen to me. At best it looks like a fake photoshopped picture.
Think for a minute, why the heck would the seagulls fly over frozen water of any kind?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
its the salt in the water that’s keeping it from being frozen solid.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:41 am
ohh for heavens sake. Has anyone been to Alaska? or, closer to my home, antarctic. Hate to tell you but indeed the sea water does freeze. Heard of the Polar Ice Caps? Not only that, I lived close to Lake Michigan for an autumn winter and spring and there were waves frozen. It was one of the things I commented on when I arrived back home to Australia. Frozen waves are very cool. These pics remind me so of Chicago and the Lake in the winter. Awesome
February 27th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Gulf of Finland and Gulf of Bothnia freeze every winter.
Joy, it’s not the salt water, lakes don’t freeze solid either. Water is denser than ice, and it’s densest at +4*C, so the water above freezing temperature (0*C) sinks to the bottom of the lake, and only the surface freezes.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Duh… it is NOT frosen. Looks foamy though.
Cascades of water hanging in the air… yeah. No close-ups, nobody standing on the wave.. wonder why? Duhh..
February 27th, 2008 at 8:21 am
because it’s not thick enough to stand on? Try walking out on a frozen lake first day of winter and see how far out you get before you risk freezing to death because of all the ice cold water around you. Frozen =/ safe to stand on.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
The Great Lakes are FRESH water.
And this whole “salt water doesn’t freeze” business? The water (ie. polar ice caps) that does freeze is “fresh”, leaving the salt behind in the ocean.
And seagulls will fly over whatever the heck they want, they don’t have any aversion to frozen water(really, what point was that attempting to prove?).
And any body of water has the potential to freeze “solid”, but it is unlikely in the vast majority of cases for a low enough temperature to be sustained for the length of time it would take to freeze anything much bigger than a pond “solid”, from surface to bottom. By the time every bit of a body of water goes (+4F), cycles through, and then all reaches freezing, the seasons change again.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Rae you get +1 awesomeness just for this comment.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
yeah the polar icecaps are fresh water.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Salt water will certainly freeze. A solution of pure water will freeze at exactly 0 C but once anything is dissolved in it to make a solution the freezing point will lower. It will still freeze, simply at a lower temperature. (Change in freezing point) = – 1.87 x (molality of solution) x (number of particles that disassociate in the solution) if we take seawater to be at a concentration of 35 parts per thousand and convert that to a molality you get a new freezing point of -1.9 C. Clearly, such a temperature is reachable in a cold climate. The larger problem is the motion, it is hard to freeze a fluid that is moving. It would need to be quite cold for such a thing to occur.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
This is done in Photoshop
February 28th, 2008 at 8:11 am
This is so fake. look at the 3rd picture down, left hand side of the breaking wave. The little drips/spray falling off the edge of it on the left are just floating in mid air. Talk about unstable structure. If it was frozen those bits wouldnt be there they would fall off, they arent even attached to anything! This is moving water, maybe crystalising, but water moving that much in motion cannot freeze.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:15 am
oh yea and why hasnt anyone pointed out the obvious yet? If it is frozen waves, then why is there no picture of the same wave twice from a different angle to prove it? In fact, in pictures 5 and 9 they even have the same jeti catwalk in it with different waves hitting it! zzz
February 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Phil…..are you on some bad drugs? if you look at picture 5 and 9 anyone not on crack will realize that it’s a picture taken a bit further down that boardwalk. If you take note of pic. 5 and look near the right hand side, you’ll see an object…pier maybe?! anyways….the object in pic. 9 is of that same object….just closer up…..notice the different guard rails?!
Oh and just a side note just because there are water drops falling off the wave doesn’t mean it’s photoshopped water can still be moving around and over the frozen stuff…..no one said that it was frozen solid, it could just be water coming out of a hole in the ice, no one knows except the person who took the photos.And even if it is a photoshopped pic. thats some damn fine photoshopping if you ask me. Think and study before you make negative comment.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:21 am
It looks icy but is moving like normal.
There are just ice pieces floating on top of the water.
The picture makes it look “frozen” (because it’s not moving.
If you look further out in the ocean you see the flowing ice, and in some of the pictures you tee the ice pieces separating as the wave crests
February 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am
no way.that is not frozen.
how could the wave freeze so fast?
it is photoshoped or somethin.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Actually,
This a representation of an incident in Durban, South Africa, last year.
It was so cold, that falling dew drops froze solid mid way to the ground. The lagoon actually did freeze, various photos can be found, posted all over the internet.
In Johannesburg, you could walk in foot deep snow. Not something that’s common place up here, as JHB is well known for it’s warm and humid climate.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Global warming could melt the ice caps (and the ice shelf on greenland) and stall the ocean current enough to throw earth into an ice age. The day after tomorrow touched on what is commonly known scientific fact. The ocean currents keep earth warm and with the introduction of massive amounts of fresh water we risk stalling the engine that heats our home.
Hooray for human stupidity, and the website in the pictures looks like somethingorother russia.com
Russia is cold anyway so the frozen waves should be a common sight. If it happened near the equator then it’s time to worry, as it is we have probably another 9 months of freedom before american fascism goes global so enjoy the little time we have left.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
guys, he clearly stated in the comments in the picture that the water is freezing AS THEY FLOW. Its not in a complete solid state. its just the top layers or any water exposed to the air tahts frozen, but the water beneath is still liquid and flowing as waves.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
@Pyroskab
You said “And even if it is a photoshopped pic. thats some damn fine photoshopping if you ask me. Think and study before you make negative comment.”
If they “were” (even if you mean hypothetically) then that means that Phil DID think and study. I think you should take your own advice.
As far as the pictures, I live near chicago and I’ve been on lake shore drive enough times during the winter to know how it is around that time of year, and i’ve seen waves moving and splashing (not solid at all), but never “frozen” wave. I think a lot of people (who believe that they’re frozen) are confusing it with just some slush that’s on top. Btw, if it were cold enough for the waves to freeze (even if not sold), the water would be far too hard from the cold for it to even form any kind of waves. Maybe a bunch of grooves that resemble small hills at best, but nothing like in the pictures.
March 4th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Common!! Look at the sea horizon! In the pic it looks as it’s all frozen… Water heats and cools off much more slower then earth does. So it’ll be kind of difficult to achieve freezing up such a huge mass of water “as it waves”, ’cause surface water is mixing up with warmer water below it constantly.
Big fail. I hate people who gets off confusing others. Specially if they dedicate so much of their time in doing so.
March 5th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Lila, the water in such a place wouldnt be that warm. Not enough to melt the ice faster then it is cooling.
Still, though. How do we tell from a still photo if the water is frozen? Everything is frozen in a photo.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 am
there’s a video connected to these pictures somewhere and i’ve seen it before..the water is indeed freezing as the waves are coming into shore. stop believing that everything on the internet is photoshopped, because sometimes it’s not.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:14 am
any one who doubts that waves freeze st clair shores michigan jefferson ave and 9 mile outside of jacks on the water there are a serious of waves that are frozen and its march.
March 14th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I don’t care if the water is frozen or not.. these are great pics.
March 17th, 2008 at 9:48 am
I think it’s a fake. Look at the seagulls shadows in picture 7. Look left and then look right: are there two suns?
March 31st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Frazil Ice … see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazil_ice
April 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Salt in the water only lowers to freezing point by 1 to 2 degrees, It is really pics like this have been around the net for a while.
May 15th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Wow, and even the birds are frozen in mid-flight. Amazing!
July 14th, 2008 at 3:59 am
Frozen sea in Durban, South Africa! What a Joke! Also, johannesburg is not know for it’s humidity, but actually it’s dry air. One of the places with the worst static electricity problems.
The frozen sea seems to be the Black sea in Constanta, Romania and here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI7E_RegcAQ
August 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
OK folks,
First, i’d like to point out that if this is a Photoshop pic… Awesome job!!! (Most likely is). Just the fact that you chuckle heads are debating it, proves it.
Second, stop making up your own science/logic over water freezing… try doing research before your fingers start typing.
The state water exists (gaseous, liquid, solid) is based on a lot of conditions… is the water pure or does it contain contaminants. Two examples here [and I’m simplifying]; water that evaporates is in a pure state, when it reaches the upper atmosphere it is well below freezing but the water remains in a gaseous state until it comes into contact with impurities (dust) that the water molecules adhere to and solidify. When enough water has frozen to it, gravity takes hold and it falls. If it passes through warm enough air, it liquefies and lands as rain, else it becomes hail or under special conditions, snow. The second example is when mixed with cretin chemical compounds like any of the varieties of salt, it create a shield or instability around the water molecules preventing them from aligning and forming a solid (ice). Any contaminants will cause this effect to different degrees thus reducing the freezing point. Additionally, water is a great insolate (does not transfer heat well).
As far as lakes freezing there are several other dynamics to consider… geothermal dynamics and fluid dynamics in particular. Objects that become cold become denser (heavier). This is why colder fluids sink to the bottom and different types of liquids separate (i.e. oil floats on water). Any one that understands geothermal energy knows that earth doesn’t freeze below the frost line (approximately 6ft). Put simply, the crust of the earth is heated by the core. The two of these things in conjunction will prevent deep water from freezing solid. To better explain; as the water on the surface becomes cold it sinks to the bottom. At the bottom it warms from heat of the earth which causes it to rise again. This process creates a circular motion which in turn reduces freezing. Additionally, as ice forms on the exposed surface, it insolates the remaining water making it harder for the water to freeze the thicker the ice on the surface gets. In fact, ice typically will not form below 6ft.
Icebergs form by the surface freezing (usually no more than a few inches) what causes them to become so large is precipitation. As it snows, the weight on top of the ice increases pushing the ice deeper into the water. Over long periods of time this can build up to form huge floating islands. Keep in mind that two thirds its mass is submerged. This by the way is the reason icebergs are made of fresh water not salt. Freezing water does not desalinate on its own. On the contrary anything caught in the ice remains locked in it until thawed.
So, based on what I just explained, the only way a wave of wave of water could freeze is if it were exposed to a rapid reduction in temperatures… say about -160 degrees, and the water was already near its freezing point.
Great job in Photoshop!
Enjoy! =)
October 30th, 2008 at 4:56 am
interesting, i’ll be back later
December 12th, 2008 at 6:36 am
In picture 7 you can see a seagull with it’s legs in the water while it’s wings are flapping. If the water was frozen the seagull would have it’s feet frozen under the water…seagulls aren’t that stupid. Fake(and believe me, i hate saying that).
December 12th, 2008 at 9:53 am
im sure its possible as sea water freezes at -15 degrees C but as this is also moving water im not too sure.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:09 am
its probably just a slushy mixture with water underneath and a thin layer of ice on top. obviously salt water can still freeze, it just lowers the freezing point which is why salting roads in the winter only works for mildly freezing temperatures.
slushy waves
December 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
You are all retards.
December 13th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
SUCK MY COCK
December 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
oakleymk: While your post might look impressive, the majority of the conclusions are completely wrong. You base a lot of your conclusions on the cold water sinking and then warming up. The reason most life is possible on this planet is because water, unlike every other liquid, is actually most dense at 4 degrees Celsius. The water at the bottom of a lake will be 4 degrees and it will only freeze solid when the surface ice reaches to the bottom. Ice floats, it forms on the surface and it stays on the surface.
I agree with most of the people posting here that it is probably slushy, or water flowing around surface ice. And to those saying big water doesn’t freeze, Lake Superior routinely used to freeze.
December 14th, 2008 at 11:26 am
First, no photoshop would have been required to make these pictures. However, moving water does not freeze unless it is exposed to an extreme change in temperature. However, since there are seagulls out, we know that the temperature did not drop all that far, and it could only have dropped from the regular freezing point of water, as that is the temperature at which icicles form. When temperature jumps, it does so in large margins.
December 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
umm.. so second pic from the top.. there is a puddle.. why isnt it frozen like the ocean?
December 14th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Nice pictures.
Also interesting that everyone who looks at pictures on the internet is a scientist.
December 14th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Uh-Oh Hot dog!
December 15th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
OK. Next time you’re somewhere where it’s pretty cold (maybe -30F or so), take a glass of water, throw the water in the air.
It will freeze before it hits the ground.
Now granted salt water is harder to freeze and the sea is big, we get it. But for the surfaces of waves to freeze (waves come from undercurrents btw) is completely feasible. SO MUCH SO that I’ve seen it happen. Chicago is cold, but don’t try and call it real cold.
Seriously is everyone here so jaded that they can’t believe a single picture even when there’s video to back it up?
December 19th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Really pretty pictures.
Aside from that, who the hell cares?
Quit whipping out your slide rulers for a minute, ignore the blatant lie that is the title, and just enjoy some awesome looking pics.
Cheers,
Ghost
December 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Ha, reminds me of when I was a kid living on Lake Superior. That would happen every year…. I miss snowmobiling.
December 23rd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
obviously photoshopped, i can tell by the pixels having seen a number of shops in my day…
FACT.
FTW.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
first of all, waves don’t exist. neither do lakes. seagulls are deathly allergic to ice and if you look really close at the 4th picture from the top, you can see clearly a small man surfing. how could you surf on frozen waves. thats just crazy. chopped
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:35 pm
NOT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD IS PHOTOSHOPPED. Take a chemistry class before you say stupid things.
Photoshop is a powerful tool, and I’m glad that many of you are familiar with it. But by the ridiculous number of comments on EVERY PICTURE I EVER STUMBLE ON that say “OMFG SHOPPED!@!#”, I have come to the conclusion that photoshop is ruining the world.
January 20th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
That’s insane, seriously insane.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Ok so this probably seems really ditzy but like…whoever posted this didn’t technically say the waves were in a completely frozen state, just that they were in the process of freezing.
Makes sense to me that it might be possible for the surface water to start to freeze while it’s in motion.
Then again that’s just me, don’t really have a clue lol.
Looks pretty cool either way.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Gulf of Finland and Gulf of Bothnia freeze every winter.
Joy, it's not the salt water, lakes don't freeze solid either. Water is denser than ice, and it's densest at +4*C, so the water above freezing temperature (0*C) sinks to the bottom of the lake, and only the surface freezes.
May 15th, 2009 at 6:31 am
It is real, it happened, these photos and teh evidence has been on the net and in course-books for donkeys years. The evidence for it and proof of it is there. I’d explain it all to you but you’re all such a bunch of arseholes you’d just dispute that. Some of you would argue the ‘real’ colour of the sky if someone posted a photo and I guarantee the second post would shout ’shopped’…
F–k you all
Rant over